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Sara Savel: Troll Genealogist and Super Sleuth

May 29, 2013
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According to the anonymous trolls like Candace Rice who’ve been hounding us left and right, Sara Savel is responsible for finding out as much about The Skeptical Mother as possible. Once they had her name from another source (thought to be January Harshe, aka Birth Without Fear), Sara was able to use that info to find out even more, including legal matters, details on her husband, address information, and even the woman’s family tree.

But why would someone want or need that info? For what purposes would this be used?

We already know that Candace is correct about Sara being smart and being a bit of a genealogist. We’ve seen her discuss this before. All the pieces began to fit. It just made sense. It turned out that Candace was an actually credible witness when it came to the trolls and their roles.

The chronology of how this came to pass goes something like this. Birth Without Fear grows increasingly threatened over The Skeptical Mother’s success as a Facebook birth page. As she is about to surpass BWF’s numbers, BWF followers go to TSM’s page to pick fights. In one fight, Ruthie Davis came to claim that TSM was copying January by celebrating gay parents and essentially made it clear that this was January’s turf. She also started publicly sharing TSM’s full, private name right then and there as an act of intimidation.

Once the name was *officially* out (as in, not being exchanged between a few trolls in private messages or groups), people were more open about sleuthing. Bambi Chapman claims she then found TSM on ISOTPB’s (Elizabeth’s) Pinterest. Of course she wouldn’t know who Sammy (TSM) was from just a friends list, so she came to Pinterest already knowing the name (from January) and looking for confirmation.

Next Sara was their girl, and Candace credits her for being the smart one in the Raptors. Sara took it upon herself to locate everything she could on Sammy, and then had private message conversations in which she suggested that Sammy should, if she wanted to be left alone, publicly denounce this project. Sara implied that her word alone would not sway all the people with sharing the info (some of which she herself had helped gather). That’s right… Sara, a respected Raptor, longtime Dr. Amy fan, member of Fed up and admin at Banned From Birth Pages’ word would not be enough to influence her friends and groupmates not to share personal info of an innocent person. Think about that for a moment.

Sammy refused to denounce the project but tried to speak words of peace to Sara. Then, trolls on Fed up with natural childbirth began publicly stating TSM’s full name and location repeatedly as they bashed her. This was all in retaliation for supposedly being involved in this project, which she was not.

What Came Next?
Sara then contacted us threatening legal action if we did not fix these already innocuous sentences (from You’re Destroying Birthy Land) : “I believe it was Sara Savel who told her she should publicly denounce us if she wanted to be left alone. I guess her word and our word weren’t good enough when we privately and publicly (respectively) clarified. You [Candace; the group] demanded public defamation by her [Sammy, TSM]. When you didn’t get what you were after, you tried to inflict harm. Sounds a little like terrorism, blackmail, extortion.”

In an effort to be accommodating, we then changed it to read: I believe it was Sara Savel who suggested she should publicly denounce us if she wanted to be left alone. [Remember, Sara is the same one who reportedly used her genealogical research skills to find everything she could on The Skeptical Mother’s personal life, including addresses and family trees.] I guess her word and our word weren’t good enough when we privately and publicly (respectively) clarified. You demanded public defamation by her. When you didn’t get what you were after, you tried to inflict harm. Sounds similar to terrorism, blackmail, extortion. Similar.

You want to take it to the law, Sara, spending your money and/or time over this paragraph? Here are the facts.

1. You enjoy genealogy.
2. You used skills you acquired in genealogy to gather information on an enemy– a woman your group had been bashing and hounding for years now.
3. Yourself and a group of women on the internet who take part in various bash sites were now all privy to the woman’s name and personal details.
4. You, by your own admission, stated that you asked TSM to denounce this project.
5. You then suggested to her that your belief in her innocence was insufficient to convince the group of women you associate with not to use the gathered info to retaliate against her.
6. Said group did publicly and privately use this info to retaliate against her, when she failed to comply with your suggestion.
7. You deemed this a “moral failure” on her part, showing that you had placed a judgment on her choice– the implication being the results are hers, and just.
8. You continue to associate with said group and said activities.
9. We have screenshots proving all these activities and continue to gather more.

Sara, I would ask this of you and all of your associates in the various birth-hate groups you participate in over the internet:  are you prepared to commit perjury in a court of law?

Or, you could just let us continue to tell our sides of the story. It’s up to you.

Despite the obvious issues here with corruption and deceit, we don’t hate Sara. We hate what Sara does. Any other day and topic, maybe she would be a reasonable human being and a good friend. It’s getting swept up in internet birth wars and attempting to control environments and people that totally warps a person into something they’re not. Factor into that a history containing birth trauma, child loss, and forms of depression, and sometimes people get a little off balance. We have no doubt like many have suggested that Sara is smart. Maybe even the smartest Raptor. It doesn’t change what is right and what is wrong.

Sara, the time to stop pushing people you didn’t even have to know… is now.

Just let people be and leave us alone. Do us all a favor and unknow us. Stay off natural parenting and birth forums if it’s so upsetting to you and inspires so much hate in you. Focus on the things which matter most, such as love, and your family. If you want to pursue certain forms of legislation or better health care for women, let that path guide you instead.  We wish you peace.

For a little more on Sara’s background and what brings her to the Birth Troll groups online, this may explain it.


Anonymous Source Names Cindy DiFrancisco As Harasser

May 24, 2013
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An excerpt from a message from Anonymous:

I’m fairly certain that the Candace Rice & Cindy Jones person mentioned on TVL is Cindy DiFrancisco, *especially* if her IP showed Ohio. The writing style (“u” “babe” “cray cray”), the way she references Lindsay, Aleah, etc as being “the best raptors”, and her willingness to engage in conversation fairly civilly all point to Cindy.

Ok. That makes sense. Thank you.

A note from Elizabeth to Anonymous:  Thanks for taking time to reach out and provide this info. This seems possible, and your perspective is valuable to us. I appreciate your help. I didn’t respond directly to your message for certain reasons, but feel free to e-mail me anytime at info@theperfectbirth.com and I will be likely to write back. 🙂 I hope you’re well too and enjoy the weekend.

 

Now back to the subject. Here are some things which could support that idea.

Remember how in our Master Troll List we mention that Cindy DiFrancisco was once thought to be a Heidi alias? It was even referenced that Cindy “used to be up Heidi’s ass” but is now up the asses of the main Raptors. This supports the odd use of “birthshit” everywhere as an insult (which copies Heidi).

We previously suspected Bambi.

Then there is how Candace Rice and her mock page are always defending Stillbirthday and Birth Without Fear. (In this shot, she also accuses ISOTPB of imagined meanness to The Skeptical Mother, which is untrue.)


If you didn’t know, Cindy DiFrancisco (among many other trolls on our list) is on the Prayer Team for Stillbirthday.

Sara R., possibly Sara Rose White.

 

Here she is trying to keep all the trolls interested in this project.

Efforts against us maintain that we are talking about women who’ve “done nothing wrong”. Dr. Amy trolls are fairly notorious for being malicious all over the internet, however. That’s a strong case of denial! Here “Candace” offers her support to “nice lady” January BWF.


Now it gets weird. Could Cindy DiFrancisco also be “Jennifer Ralph”? We thought this was Heidi. If not, just how far “up Heidi’s ass” is Cindy really?


Fed Uppers think “Jennifer Ralph” has serious psychiatric issues. (We agree!)
psychiatricIt’s funny you should mention that.

cindy

Scary.


Dear Veil: You’re Destroying Birthy Land

May 19, 2013
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Welcome to  “Dear Veil”! This is where we answer your letters.

“Cindy Jones” writes:

it sad what you are doing. honestly it is nutty sweetie. many of them won’t admit it because of pride but you are hurting them and u don’t have proof. u don’t even know what some of them are going through right now. you are the most destructive person in all of birthy land right now

Hi, Candace Rice.

First, none of us are your “sweeties”.

Second, hurting people is not our aim. If they are too proud to admit it, that problem is their own. They could try leveling with us. If they don’t want to, it’s understandable- they have hurt so, so many people themselves being part of these troll groups that letting their guard down might not be well received. That’s because there is a level of shame here. Should you be ashamed of being outed for being part of internet cliques that torment people? Probably.

Proof. See screen caps.

I am truly sorry that anyone is going through anything right now. I hope that as you all struggle with your personal pains you stop and think for a moment how any time you dealt harshly with other women online (tampering with their personal lives, or mocking them nonstop, etc.), maybe they were put through a lot of hardship too. I’m sure there is a lot of unnecessary pain that you will never know about, either from denial or from ignorance. If you want it to end, all you have to do is turn over a new leaf and disassociate with all the creeps who go around bashing people for their births.

The most destructive in all of birthy land, you say. If Birthy Land were a kingdom, it would already be wrecked by chaos and war and corruption. We’re messengers in that land telling the people the news. This is only destructive to you if it ruins your game. If you were standing in the light and doing right, you wouldn’t have anything to complain about here.

If you keep playing the victims without acknowledging how much your plotting and scheming over the years have deeply impacted birth communities online- real women and babies- you haven’t earned sympathy for being publicly outed over it. Everything is not all about you. Think of the pain you’ve caused others and not just yourself. Show some remorse.

sara savel is smart like a whip but she would have never shared skeptical mothers information publicly. never.

No, she just spent time researching every available detail about her personal and family life that she could, for no purpose at all, only to lock it away in a vault and keep it a secret forever.

and alexis is a educated lady, she doesnt troll or set outs to hurt others.

Which is why she’s a member of troll groups which keep tabs on groups that live their lives differently. For no purpose, really. Certainly not to jab at or interfere with.

your main beef seems to be with bambi. why not talk right to her?

We’ve tried. She was closed off. She is welcome to talk to us, though. We are very big on trying to talk to people before talking about them or judging them. We wish your group behaved the same.

what has heidi really ever done to you? bwf? liz? many many of these peoples what have they done to u or even anyone?

We have numerous screen caps and posts explaining all of this. If you choose not to look, address, or read, that is your own willful ignorance and denial.

or if she [The Skeptical Mother] would have said somewhere public that she had not a thing to do with your LTV blog [she would not have been targeted].

I’m sorry, I don’t think she or we realized we had to follow instructions of people harassing us. I believe it was Sara Savel who suggested she should publicly denounce us if she wanted to be left alone. [Remember, Sara is the same one who reportedly used her genealogical research skills to find everything she could on The Skeptical Mother’s personal life, including addresses and family trees.] I guess her word and our word weren’t good enough when we privately and publicly (respectively) clarified. You demanded public defamation by her. When you didn’t get what you were after, you tried to inflict harm. Sounds similar to terrorism, blackmail, extortion. Similar.

all this eye for eye is wrong. when it end?

Since when is justice “eye for eye”? We’re just telling the truth about what is happening to us. If you had stuck to birth issues and only trying to make mothers and babies safe, there would be no problem. When you use that to troll after people, then we’ve got big problems. “It end” when everyone stops being abusive. You’ve been abusive to innocent people who did not know you and you expect no consequences. This is foolish. You’ve expressed yourselves when you’ve gone after others (“free speech”, “the internet is public”), and we have the right to express our feelings in return.

But as Sara Rose says, it’s not about “feeweeings”. She said she is not going to coddle anyone, and while we have a little more compassion than that, it’s not our job to coddle internet bullies who are sad for being told on.

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Then, Sanctimommy declares that it’s an all-out war. “They declared war on us,” they proclaim. Who is they? Anyone they think is sanctimonious. Who is sanctimonious? Anyone with a strong parenting opinion that they don’t like.  “Fight back” and “laugh at them“, they instruct. Only problem is, a lot of these are just innocent women in internet mommy groups who do things differently than the trolls. It wasn’t the sister-in-law who made you feel inadequate for bottle feeding, or the former friend who talked crap about your cesarean section. You are laughing at people who have nothing to do with your “feeweeings” of inadequacy.
sanctI do agree with the last two sentences. For the most part every woman is making the best choices she can for her family and no one needs anyone’s approval (especially not from trolls). Lashing out at strangers is not the answer. You’re not even getting back at the right people. You’re just hating people based on prejudice, which is why we say the trolls take part in hate groups.

Ironically, troll Isabelle puts the concerns of “Cindy”, Sanctimommy, and any other griping trolls into perspective.

waahSomeone must have been mean to her, too, since she joins pages like Banned by the Feminist Breeder.

So, back to “Cindy”, you were saying, about Birthy Land?


Florence Brun Tirakayos: The Trolls’ Achilles Heel

May 18, 2013
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There is a running joke that every troll alias is Florence Brun Tirakayos. The reason for this is she has the following noticeable traits (which coincidentally plenty of aliases share):

Quirky speech (French is her first language), concern trolling, moral reprimanding, odd grammar and use of capitals/punctuation/spacing. Hold any lengthy conversation or (un)civil debate with Florence and you will also see that she has the tendency to play mind games with her participants. She typically starts off “normal” at first, and then resorts to whatever tactic she thinks will elicit a response. She is capable of jumping all over the place with tone and seems to do so gleefully (as anyone would expect from a true internet troll who toys with people).

Since those descriptions and troll aliases often coincide, and because there is at least an ounce of truth to every joke, could this make Florence a good candidate for the troll of Candace Rice? In the previous post we named Bambi Chapman as the most likely culprit, with Liz Paparella and Heidi Faith also candidates. But check out this post Flo made on Fed Up [was referenced in the previous post].

This is very “Candace”. Very telling who “liked” Florence’s blind vengeance too. Melissa reveals that she doesn’t troll with this name, so it doesn’t matter to her.

Still, even with these traits in common, it seemed more likely that Candace was Bambi. Yet, Flo also was willing to punish anyone involved in making our Master Troll List. The one thing you can count on with Florence is inconsistency of her behavior and a hate for certain types of birth. This is part of why it is so easy to assume she’s behind certain schemes. So many conflicting messages, so hard to know what to trust when the motive and clues point to a few different people.

You can see more examples of Florence’s behavior below.  Despite her obvious flaws, she’s in similar company.

We just watched other alias “Jennifer Ralph” (search our site for more on her) gush over The Skeptical Mother’s appearance, which is something Heidi has done before and is very in her character to continue. Since Heidi has a history of trolling on Fed Up (search Kallie Bloom), this falls right in line with that.

“Jennifer Ralph” did provide the opportunity for Florence and Aleah to come in and strut with feathers fanned to show that Sammy wasn’t worth much next to them. Even if Jennifer Ralph is Heidi, what she started still served Florence. It would be easy to guess that it was Flo who sockpuppeted to fluff her own ego.

About the other commentors

It was very noticeable how Aleah trumpets about accomplishments and brains. Our guess is that she feels she has these in abundance and that people she dislikes do not. She mentions how you can “buy good looks, honey”. Well, it’s funny you should mention that…  (Search for Aleah; sexism)

Anj’s weird comment, about not having met Sammy… yet? This was during a time they were all trying to scare and intimidate her. They didn’t have a coffee date scheduled or anything. It only comes off as threatening.

Due to the conversation above, we’ve added Vanity, Envy, and Pride to our Categories list. Trolls will pick anyone apart and obsess over superficial things, and somehow it always comes back to their own insecurities and shortcomings. Trolls hurt people because they have something to prove, and that something is that they are better than somebody.

Back to Florence:

At this point we fully suspected Florence to be behind the Veil counter activities, and that Candace and Cindy were her aliases.

[UPDATE– an anonymous source told us that Cindy DiFrancisco was more likely behind the harassing.]

Florence talks. A lot. That gives us plenty of opportunity to recognize her unique voice much clearer, and her personality shows through more with every word. Then, there’s this.
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This picture was removed from Lifting the Veil’s FB page. It was done so successfully because the person making the complaint was the owner of the comment. Nevermind that the owner was on a public forum using people’s full names to harass and intimidate! Our version was at least the censored version to protect the victims of bullying. Still, since we know the complaint came from Florence and since the only trolls bothering us lately have been Candace, Cindy, and the anti-LTV blogs/page, it seemed the one common denominator in all this (Florence).

What you need to know about Flo
Florence is a weak spot for the trolls. She doesn’t let things go where they would. She has too many numerous personas and even the other trolls aren’t sure when they can trust her or not. When her sockpuppet aliases get insulted, she feels personally insulted too. She craves belonging. She feels left out of a lot of the Raptor games and jokes. She looks up to several of them, namely Aleah, immediately copying things they say such as nicknames for enemies (ex: Sammoo and Lizzie, for TSM and ISOTPB).

Florence’s whole motto would be: Notice me. Everything she does within and for her groups is for recognition or to be noticed. Think of her as like the nagging little sister who constantly talks or tugs on your clothes to get attention. If she doesn’t get the desired result, she might dress up as somebody else as a disguise and start blowing things up in the backyard. She is constantly running her mouth and not able to keep things secretive (even if they would benefit her group). In some ways her behavior is unpredictable, unreliable. She is a liability for them.

If you see a troll being sloppy or out of control and they are attempting to be anonymous, consider that it might be Florence.

About Candace: She (“Candace”, “Cindy”) also shares info with us such as how Aleah and Sara Rose are really hurting by our project and are only pretending to not care, and that Sara Savel is the one to blame for sleuthing TSM’s info and passing it around. She shared screenshots from private messages from the trolls showing how they were scared of our project. She pointed us to new names we were not aware of and allowed us to connect aliases we previously thought were separate people.  “Candace” has actually been a pretty helpful informant.


“Candace Rice”: Trolls Behaving Like Trolls

May 17, 2013
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Shortly after our project became public, several people started receiving threats and intimidation. One example is “Candace Rice”, who was created for the purpose of harassment relating to our page and blog. Here are some private messages she sent to ISOTPB (who is part of our project) to try to encourage her silence.

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In this first shot, Elizabeth believes she is talking to Liz. This was based upon her tone (unable to take blame for anything, dishes out blame, obtuse, oblivious to double standard) and typing (all lowercase).

This is a shot from the list Candace and ISOTPB were referencing.

One of the more recent examples of how this behavior continues: Alexis Coxon created a Subscription list on Facebook with a vague “Birth” title, and it is followed by mostly trolls. This allows them to keep track of fresh material for fodder and who to attack without having to actually “like” a page.

The conversation continues: Candace threatens that they will reveal Sammy’s (The Skeptical Mother’s) identity and that they found out everything about her, all because she is a friend of ISO. It had already been expressed clearly and publicly numerous times that Sammy had no involvement in our project. Then Candace continues with more threats, including for a counter-blog.

A counter blog/page was in fact created, and this is the point where speculation could turn to Heidi; the rival page used the phrase “Birthshit” in reference to ISOTPB. This was something previously only observed specific to Heidi. The page also took the specific tone of “why can’t ISO leave innocent Heidi and BWF alone?”, which also supports Heidi’s usual tone and agenda (the two of them in big business, together). “Candace” then used that FB page all over FB, including troll pages, to draw attention. Just like Heidi’s previous alias “Kallie Bloom”, they get sick of her antics pretty quickly, but her behavior proves incessant. This would also be typical of Heidi’s personality, perhaps to a better hidden extent when using her real name. Update: We then thought Candace was actually Florence, just copying Heidi’s insults. Now we think it was a different Heidi copycat.

Next shot: “Opinion” vs. “Fact”. Either we’re all allowed to express ourselves and talk about other people, or we’re not. Which is it?

Candace did go on to share Sammy’s photo and identity publicly after this, through her page. Out of spite. Notice how additionally, the Barberton area of Ohio points to the identity being Bambi again.

Below, ISOTPB urges Candace to stick to real help for women and babies and to stop taking part in “mommy wars” on the internet. I love how Candace admits that “there are some twatty trolls”. She goes on the name the “best raptors”. She then details who found out Sammy’s information and who shared it. All signs still point to Bambi, here.

UPDATE: the Barberton clue came from a comment left during these conversations which used some of the exact same phrasings ISOTPB and Candace did, making us think the person was the same harasser. That person was traced to Barberton. We then believed Candace was likely Florence. See why we’ve reconsidered.

(The “April” alias they are discussing was telling The Feminist Breeder to kill herself.)

We need to pause here and mention that another reason this suggests Bambi is the true identity of Candace is this:  Bambi could not simply have “found out” who Sammy was in the 2 minutes she claims merely by looking at Elizabeth (ISOTPB)’s Pinterest. Elizabeth had a bunch of friends on there and any number of them could have hypothetically been Sammy. Bambi would love to take credit for this, and in fact she bragged about this because we here at LTV claimed she was not so bright. This was by Bambi’s own admission on Fed Up. Taking credit for something like this serves her own interests. She and Candace both wanted to prove us wrong, that she is “a smart cookier”.

Even though this is not possible, she would have been able to verify Sammy’s identity if someone else named her first. Once named, Bambi could look on Pinterest and notice that Elizabeth and Sammy were indeed friends. The name would still have to be spilled first. The only people we think were capable of doing this would have been BWF’s January Harshe or Ruthie Davis, or possibly Heidi Faith. Signs point strongly to the first two. Please do searches for these individuals on our blog for more details on this.

Below:  Sara Savel, resident genealogist, used her research skills for unscrupulous means. Uses of “dude” and “babe” hint at Bambi again. Candace does not deny it when she is called Bambi (or Liz, far above, for that matter).

Candace does not come clean and lets each one of Elizabeth’s suspects passively take the blame.

The convo closes, but with a warning. We have personal info too. We hope there is no need to use any of it, and we have no plans to use it, but it is there. We want what we’ve always ever wanted: for Trolls to stop pushing us against the wall.


Bambi Acts Rashly, Shows Untrustworthiness (+ BWF)

March 14, 2013
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Threats and blackmail have been attempted with regards to this list. One person in particular guilty of this is Bambi Chapman. Bambi is known for being involved with almost every troll group named on this site. She also has an award named after her at Stillbirthday.

Harassing “Sammy” of The Skeptical Mother seemed the easy choice. They were convinced she was involved, and they knew she was vulnerable because she wanted to keep her personal life private. There’s only one problem with that:  The Skeptical Mother is not a participant in this project.

Bambi admits to outing her and her reasons why. (click images for best views)


We already knew Bambi was not good at keeping things secret. This happened on Banned From Birth Pages. The discussion is about Bambi telling everything going on in the secret group Unity & Healing while it was in session. (Search Unity & Healing on this site, for more info). In these following images, Banned implicates Bambi in breaching everyone’s trust.

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Even other trolls have decided to speak out against Bambi. See Tara’s comment.

Here Bambi (and Liz) participate on a troll forum (dated a couple years back). She takes about how much she hates people, and her love for snark.

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You may notice a reference to her being suspected of playing other personas. While that evidence is beyond our current reach and dated and we have no concrete proof, we were able to compare IP’s and find that Bambi has been leaving anonymous hateful, irrational comments on blogs she dislikes.

This means we also have info on where Bambi lives.
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Here is our personal plea to Bambi:  you are on this list because you have been your own worst enemy. We have observed this erratic behavior in you for years. You lash out at people who are innocent to you, often who have nothing to do with your life or your pain.

We also find it funny that you’ve publicized all this stuff about other people, such as your midwife. No one has any way to know if all the stuff you’ve said about her is true, yet you’ve made it your job to publicly defame her and no one has stood in your way.

Yet, when people have public comments about you and how you’ve hurt them, you get even.

What would happen if your midwife got even (you’d think that was unfair, right? even outrageous)? We also know of other false defamatory posts you’ve done, like the one about ISOTPB where you accuse her of killing a baby which she had nothing to do with. What would happen if everyone who ever talked negatively in public about anyone was harmed in retaliation? When do people have the right to speak out against people they feel have wronged others? Is it when it works for Bambi Chapman only?

Who can take you seriously, how can you be trusted, and how can anyone think you are ever acting out of anything but blinded vengeance and rage?

We are not as rash as you. We will not publish the private details of your life just on a whim, even though we know fully that you are 110% guilty of trolling and harming innocent people. We want to make sure that if we do it, it’s the right thing to do. Convince us that it is not. After all, we’re trying very hard to not be about vengeance and to only be about justice and doing the right thing. That’s something you should think about.

It’s too late for Sammy. You’ve already hurt her for no reason. Maybe the final decision of what we share should be hers? Maybe Sammy has a case against you for stalking and harassment. Because you have attempted to intimidate her and put her family at risk, maybe she would feel forced to pursue criminal justice. How far will this go? What will it take for your victims to protect themselves from you?

If you keep this behavior up, it was only a matter of time before someone called you out. You had several years going unchallenged, which is a pretty long run, but now it’s time to pay the piper. You are unhealthy and unstable and you are harming anyone that you can. Stop yourself first from inflicting more damage on others and targeting strangers online with your hate.  Then other people won’t feel the need to stop you and speak against you as a warning for others. Please, stop all your negative online activities and habits and get some serious and real help.

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Addendum: How we know Birth Without Fear (January) was involved.

Obviously Bambi could not have figured it out on her own, as her claim brags. There was nothing on Sammy’s Pinterest that would tie her in any way to The Skeptical Mother. It’s possible that Bambi was the one who revealed Sammy’s name to all the trolls, but she would have had to have known the name or at least the initials beforehand for that to work (and Pinterest would only seem to confirm this for her, after the fact; a lame excuse and scapegoat). It only makes sense that that person doing the telling would be January (who knew TSM’s identity).

Since January had already told Ruthie (who was publicly saying the initials to harass and intimidate TSM), and January is also friends with trolls Liz and Bambi, it would be easy to see that January BWF is the origin point of all of this info. This was all probably discussed in private messaging at first, amongst themselves.

The way this was supposed to work benefited both January and Bambi. January gets to sit back and watch Bambi take all the credit for the dirty work, and not sully Birth Without Fear in the process. From Bambi’s perspective, in taking the credit she gets to prove she’s not the simpleton this list described her as. As you can see, that didn’t work out so well.

Lesson: January will do anything to further her own status, including releasing personal info that could be dangerous into the hands of people she knows are proven tormentors. She is not concerned for the safety of other families nor does she respect their well-reasoned anonymity.


“Jennifer Ralph”: Vengeance & More Heidi Aliases?

March 14, 2013
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At Fed Up With Natural Childbirth, are they starting to catch on to the truth? Below is an interesting conversation between “Jennifer Ralph” and the Fed Uppers.

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Now, remember how “Jennifer” referred to In Search of the Perfect Birth as “In Search of BS”? Heidi was the only other person we witnessed do that. The comments were later missing, and we think she deleted her own, but she did it multiple times. Look here–

This exchange was taken on a page where Monica Barnes was expressing disappointment that The Skeptical Mother doesn’t show photos of deceased babies to her 50,000 fans. Sammy (TSM) opened her Wall to allow fans to do it themselves. ISOTPB responded, and so did Stillbirthday’s Heidi Faith. Heidi insinuates that TSM is inauthentic.

Worth noting, “Jennifer Ralph” showed up with her post at Fed Up very shortly after ISOTPB got private messages from a “Candace Rice” offering the same level of threats and justifications. Some include:

“u can believe “we” started it first. as if “we” are the borg. but who is bothering who now hmms? that is what u all are doing”

[Note use of “the borg”, a common Banned From Birth Pages phrase repeated often.]

“i don’t hate u. i can’t speak for everyone because we aren’t all together like u think and don’t even know everyone like that april chick who said awful things.

sammoo has always said she wants to take down dr amy. she is not some innocence here

u capped, tagged, troll listed and psycho analyzed a lot of people publicly under their real names”

“the truth is we wouldn’t go as far as you. we didnt publish your names on the net. and we have caps and names, too, elizabeth and [censored], but never used them for these low things”

ISOTPB says they talked about psychoanalyzing and she used the word “laughable”. During that very exchange we received a comment on our blog, which said a bunch of hateful comments directed at Elizabeth, but included this:

“She attempts to use psychological terminology, laughably, to try to analyze those that she insults…”

The e-mail address left for that anonymous comment was akronevan2@yahoo.com, and their IP is 174.100.163.199, which brought us to a house in Barberton, Ohio.

I’ll leave you with some of Elizabeth’s words to Candace, because it’s really the main point:  “It’s real simple. Just stop bothering people. Stop harassing people. There wouldn’t be any need for a list if you could just leave people alone.”

PS:  thanks to these new happenings we have a new category, titled “Revenge”.


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